Listen to excerpts of Carol Patton’s interview, including Dr. Maki’s explaining the complexities of tandem surfing, his thoughts on the ocean’s spiritual appeal, and he and his wife’s work as intimacy therapists.
Listen to excerpts of Carol Patton’s interview, including Dr. Maki’s explaining the complexities of tandem surfing, his thoughts on the ocean’s spiritual appeal, and he and his wife’s work as intimacy therapists.